Comments on: the story of the homeless blogger http://tygerland.net/2008/03/01/the-story-of-the-homeless-blogger/ occasionally acerbic, cultural and political comment Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:56:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: ash. http://tygerland.net/2008/03/01/the-story-of-the-homeless-blogger/#comment-573681 ash. Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:14:14 +0000 http://tygerland.net/2008/03/01/the-story-of-the-homeless-blogger/#comment-573681 . So seriously, where is my home? . . . . the world of spirituality. clearly! ....hope all is well. .
So seriously, where is my home?
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the world of spirituality. clearly!

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]]> By: Bunny Hugger http://tygerland.net/2008/03/01/the-story-of-the-homeless-blogger/#comment-558442 Bunny Hugger Sat, 08 Mar 2008 12:23:20 +0000 http://tygerland.net/2008/03/01/the-story-of-the-homeless-blogger/#comment-558442 I was merely responding to tyger's point about poor families being priced off the road. 4x4's cost more to run so it stands to reason that, generally speaking, those poor families will run smaller cars that have cheaper running costs. I agree that owning a small 'green' car is not nearly enough on its own and that it shouldn't be assumed that people who have one bad tendency towards the environment are neglectful in all other areas. But there are more issues regarding the urban 4x4's than just their emissions. Apart from the non-logic of driving around town in an off-roader that has only ever driven ON the road, I'm thinking of the safety of other road-users here. Offsetting is a whole other issue that I am dubious about, not least because the offsetting industry encourages you to emit more. I worry that it's little more than a guilt-relieving industry. How can we make the carbon that we've already emitted disappear? I know this sounds a bit complex but the only way we can reduce our carbon emissions is to, well, reduce our carbon emissions. That said, individually, we can make some progress but I think the main responsibility lies with big business and governments. I was merely responding to tyger’s point about poor families being priced off the road.

4×4’s cost more to run so it stands to reason that, generally speaking, those poor families will run smaller cars that have cheaper running costs.

I agree that owning a small ‘green’ car is not nearly enough on its own and that it shouldn’t be assumed that people who have one bad tendency towards the environment are neglectful in all other areas. But there are more issues regarding the urban 4×4’s than just their emissions. Apart from the non-logic of driving around town in an off-roader that has only ever driven ON the road, I’m thinking of the safety of other road-users here.

Offsetting is a whole other issue that I am dubious about, not least because the offsetting industry encourages you to emit more. I worry that it’s little more than a guilt-relieving industry. How can we make the carbon that we’ve already emitted disappear?

I know this sounds a bit complex but the only way we can reduce our carbon emissions is to, well, reduce our carbon emissions.

That said, individually, we can make some progress but I think the main responsibility lies with big business and governments.

]]> By: Lee Griffin http://tygerland.net/2008/03/01/the-story-of-the-homeless-blogger/#comment-558035 Lee Griffin Sat, 08 Mar 2008 02:44:37 +0000 http://tygerland.net/2008/03/01/the-story-of-the-homeless-blogger/#comment-558035 26. It's unfair to assume a person with a "gas guzzling" 4X4 is any more well off than anyone else, and also to assume they are any more reckless with the environment. While you could be happily buying fruit and veg from Spain and Venezuela while taking yearly long haul holidays and leaving your computer on all night, just because you own a smart car doesn't make you a) less well off or b) causing less of an impact on a family that owns that 4X4 but never does holidays out of Britain, barely drives that 4X4, turns off all their appliances and only uses locally sourced food. The environmental debate is so much more complex than the symbols of "bad carbon footprints" and I wish those interested in green issues would stop assuming that those with one "bad" tendency towards the environment don't offset that footprint as is their right and responsibility to do so. 26. It’s unfair to assume a person with a “gas guzzling” 4X4 is any more well off than anyone else, and also to assume they are any more reckless with the environment. While you could be happily buying fruit and veg from Spain and Venezuela while taking yearly long haul holidays and leaving your computer on all night, just because you own a smart car doesn’t make you a) less well off or b) causing less of an impact on a family that owns that 4X4 but never does holidays out of Britain, barely drives that 4X4, turns off all their appliances and only uses locally sourced food.

The environmental debate is so much more complex than the symbols of “bad carbon footprints” and I wish those interested in green issues would stop assuming that those with one “bad” tendency towards the environment don’t offset that footprint as is their right and responsibility to do so.

]]> By: Bunny Hugger http://tygerland.net/2008/03/01/the-story-of-the-homeless-blogger/#comment-556083 Bunny Hugger Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:13:08 +0000 http://tygerland.net/2008/03/01/the-story-of-the-homeless-blogger/#comment-556083 No. 3: The Greens are not trying to price poorer families off the road. They would make it more costly for people to run the big, high-powered gas-guzzlers, the 4x4's and the sporty cars. If poor families are using those types of vehicles then they're really not that poor. The Samizdata anti-green agenda. It's grossly misleading and dishonest to compare the BNP policies with the Green's even if it's just the "consequences" that are being pointed out. The green party's policies on race, equality and social justice are in direct contrast to those of the BNP whose green policies, incidentally are clearly a cover-up for their anti-immigration stance. The BNP and Migration Watch use the green issue to hide their real and very racist agenda. No. 3: The Greens are not trying to price poorer families off the road. They would make it more costly for people to run the big, high-powered gas-guzzlers, the 4×4’s and the sporty cars. If poor families are using those types of vehicles then they’re really not that poor.

The Samizdata anti-green agenda. It’s grossly misleading and dishonest to compare the BNP policies with the Green’s even if it’s just the “consequences” that are being pointed out. The green party’s policies on race, equality and social justice are in direct contrast to those of the BNP whose green policies, incidentally are clearly a cover-up for their anti-immigration stance. The BNP and Migration Watch use the green issue to hide their real and very racist agenda.

]]> By: Lee Griffin http://tygerland.net/2008/03/01/the-story-of-the-homeless-blogger/#comment-553951 Lee Griffin Wed, 05 Mar 2008 01:45:33 +0000 http://tygerland.net/2008/03/01/the-story-of-the-homeless-blogger/#comment-553951 What is bollocks is the tone of the article trying to suggest that because the outcomes COULD (not would) be the same in some instances and areas as BNP policy that the green party are as reprehensible as the BNP. The two simply don't have to follow each other. But, for thought... "Boycott food grown by black farmers and subsidise crops grown by whites" is one headline given by Samizdata. The reality is that the Greens prefer local sustainable and organic farming due to their opinion on carbon footprints. Why is it acceptable to try and claim that a circumstantial outcome of a policy based on a certain ordering of liberties is the boycotting of black farmers? I'm not denying the manifesto is kooky, that it is ill thought out in places, and that it occasionally has things that feel like regressive policies (which are also shared one way or another by the big three between them I find)...but to compare them at any point to the BNP is just...well...bollocks. :P What is bollocks is the tone of the article trying to suggest that because the outcomes COULD (not would) be the same in some instances and areas as BNP policy that the green party are as reprehensible as the BNP. The two simply don’t have to follow each other.

But, for thought…

“Boycott food grown by black farmers and subsidise crops grown by whites” is one headline given by Samizdata. The reality is that the Greens prefer local sustainable and organic farming due to their opinion on carbon footprints. Why is it acceptable to try and claim that a circumstantial outcome of a policy based on a certain ordering of liberties is the boycotting of black farmers?

I’m not denying the manifesto is kooky, that it is ill thought out in places, and that it occasionally has things that feel like regressive policies (which are also shared one way or another by the big three between them I find)…but to compare them at any point to the BNP is just…well…bollocks. :P

]]> By: Ian http://tygerland.net/2008/03/01/the-story-of-the-homeless-blogger/#comment-553310 Ian Tue, 04 Mar 2008 16:19:58 +0000 http://tygerland.net/2008/03/01/the-story-of-the-homeless-blogger/#comment-553310 Lee: Perry of Samizdata said this in response to someone else in the comments thread of the post I linked to, but I think it is relevant to your objection as well: [i]"Perhaps you have missed the main point of the article, [Lee]. It is that the consequences of Green policies are the same as the BNP, not that they overtly want the same things as the BNP."[/i] With that in mind, it'd be good to know what it is about the article that you think is a "load of bollocks". Lee: Perry of Samizdata said this in response to someone else in the comments thread of the post I linked to, but I think it is relevant to your objection as well:

[i]“Perhaps you have missed the main point of the article, [Lee]. It is that the consequences of Green policies are the same as the BNP, not that they overtly want the same things as the BNP.”[/i]

With that in mind, it’d be good to know what it is about the article that you think is a “load of bollocks”.

]]> By: Lee Griffin http://tygerland.net/2008/03/01/the-story-of-the-homeless-blogger/#comment-553180 Lee Griffin Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:07:33 +0000 http://tygerland.net/2008/03/01/the-story-of-the-homeless-blogger/#comment-553180 Ian: That stuff on Samizdata is a load of bollocks. The Greens have their issues but making inconsistent logical leaps of faith to try and tie the greens up against the BNP is poor form really. Brod: Lib Dem Cornwall hell isn't necessarily caused by the party overarching it though. Cornwall is plagued with bureaucratic busy bodies and people only interested in keeping jobs for the boys. It's ironically the perfect example of how power devolved away from the party councillors and party members claim to be a part of can be counter-productive. Ian: That stuff on Samizdata is a load of bollocks. The Greens have their issues but making inconsistent logical leaps of faith to try and tie the greens up against the BNP is poor form really.

Brod: Lib Dem Cornwall hell isn’t necessarily caused by the party overarching it though. Cornwall is plagued with bureaucratic busy bodies and people only interested in keeping jobs for the boys. It’s ironically the perfect example of how power devolved away from the party councillors and party members claim to be a part of can be counter-productive.

]]> By: Brod Ross. http://tygerland.net/2008/03/01/the-story-of-the-homeless-blogger/#comment-552733 Brod Ross. Tue, 04 Mar 2008 07:07:48 +0000 http://tygerland.net/2008/03/01/the-story-of-the-homeless-blogger/#comment-552733 Tyger.I think you've seen this befor, but.... The party tent... Reason 1..It's better to be inside the tent urinating out, than the outside of the tent urinating in. As there is a piece of urine the proof material between you and those you wish to urinate on inside. With that piece of material between you and them, they don't care how much you urinate.and the chances are that your feet get wet. Reason 2.. Go find another tent to urinate out of. Although now you have two layers of urine proof material between you and those you originally wished to urinate on, and the chances are that when you look around in that tent you want to urinate on its occupants even more than the occupants of the first tent you were in . Reason 3.. Urinate off completely, and no one will give a defecation where you urinate. moral.. Stay in the first tent I live in Libdem Cornwall....It's hell. Tyger.I think you’ve seen this befor, but….

The party tent…
Reason 1..It’s better to be inside the tent urinating out, than the outside of the tent urinating in. As there is a piece of urine the proof material between you and those you wish to urinate on inside. With that piece of material between you and them, they don’t care how much you urinate.and the chances are that your feet get wet.

Reason 2.. Go find another tent to urinate out of. Although now you have two layers of urine proof material between you and those you originally wished to urinate on, and the chances are that when you look around in that tent you want to urinate on its occupants even more than the occupants of the first tent you were in .

Reason 3.. Urinate off completely, and no one will give a defecation where you urinate.

moral.. Stay in the first tent

I live in Libdem Cornwall….It’s hell.

]]> By: Alix http://tygerland.net/2008/03/01/the-story-of-the-homeless-blogger/#comment-552051 Alix Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:09:57 +0000 http://tygerland.net/2008/03/01/the-story-of-the-homeless-blogger/#comment-552051 *Sigh* ;-) http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/01/14/the-orange-book-delusion/ *Sigh* ;-)

http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2008/01/14/the-orange-book-delusion/

]]> By: Bob Piper http://tygerland.net/2008/03/01/the-story-of-the-homeless-blogger/#comment-552048 Bob Piper Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:08:43 +0000 http://tygerland.net/2008/03/01/the-story-of-the-homeless-blogger/#comment-552048 Actually, Tyger, you sound very New Labour to me.... sadly. Personally, I'm a socialist but I've stopped in the party and put up with all that low tax private enterprise crap. Actually, Tyger, you sound very New Labour to me…. sadly. Personally, I’m a socialist but I’ve stopped in the party and put up with all that low tax private enterprise crap.

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