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		<title>By: tyger</title>
		<link>http://tygerland.net/2007/05/16/essay-brown-the-premier/#comment-169967</link>
		<dc:creator>tyger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 09:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Y'all,

Thanks for all your comments.

I'm happy to give GB the chance, too.  Though Bill, I'm not sure Bevan's quote still stands up.  The Third Way has had a significant impact on the electorate.  Most politicos miss greatly political ideology, but I'm not sure the rump of the electorate do.  Certainly not the safely-safely middle classes.

Of course the Middle Ground has forced the marginalised - the poor and/or ethnic minorities - to seek a stronger brand of politics.  Be that the BNP (in the case of whites), or groups sympathetic to terrorism and violence (in the case of &lt;em&gt;some&lt;/em&gt; marginalised minorities).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Y&#8217;all,</p>
<p>Thanks for all your comments.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy to give GB the chance, too.  Though Bill, I&#8217;m not sure Bevan&#8217;s quote still stands up.  The Third Way has had a significant impact on the electorate.  Most politicos miss greatly political ideology, but I&#8217;m not sure the rump of the electorate do.  Certainly not the safely-safely middle classes.</p>
<p>Of course the Middle Ground has forced the marginalised - the poor and/or ethnic minorities - to seek a stronger brand of politics.  Be that the BNP (in the case of whites), or groups sympathetic to terrorism and violence (in the case of <em>some</em> marginalised minorities).</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Blunt</title>
		<link>http://tygerland.net/2007/05/16/essay-brown-the-premier/#comment-169953</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Blunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 07:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am reminded of the words of Aneurin Bevan, who I once saw give a speech at Blackpool.
"People who stay in the middle of the road get run over".
I'm happy to give Golden Gordon a chance.  He's not been the worst Chancellor in history, and has been much maligned by the Blairites ever since they won out in the early '90's.

I like your blog, by the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am reminded of the words of Aneurin Bevan, who I once saw give a speech at Blackpool.<br />
&#8220;People who stay in the middle of the road get run over&#8221;.<br />
I&#8217;m happy to give Golden Gordon a chance.  He&#8217;s not been the worst Chancellor in history, and has been much maligned by the Blairites ever since they won out in the early &#8217;90&#8217;s.</p>
<p>I like your blog, by the way.</p>
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		<title>By: anticant</title>
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		<dc:creator>anticant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 13:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely 'the system' performs some necessary and useful services for the community? Is not the issue effective regulation rather than replacement [by what]? It is the effective will to curb excesses, rather than the machinery, that is lacking. The political will is lacking because too few people reaqlise how they are being conned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely &#8216;the system&#8217; performs some necessary and useful services for the community? Is not the issue effective regulation rather than replacement [by what]? It is the effective will to curb excesses, rather than the machinery, that is lacking. The political will is lacking because too few people reaqlise how they are being conned.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 06:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finances will not be finances if those whose field they are did not perform correctly, that is in this society of free market the only thing a Chancellor of the Exchequer has to do is to pave the road for the real financiers to walk on, without hurdles of any kind,you know taxes, import duties, agreements with foreign countries, treatment of unions,  the lot.

So to sum it up if Chancellors perform as they are instructed they will be successful, otherwise...

And it happens, too, with the Prime Minister. Although this latter's job is more complicated as he must put his two cents into the whole thing, he is the real representative of the what Richard calls the Master Puppeteers and I call the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finances will not be finances if those whose field they are did not perform correctly, that is in this society of free market the only thing a Chancellor of the Exchequer has to do is to pave the road for the real financiers to walk on, without hurdles of any kind,you know taxes, import duties, agreements with foreign countries, treatment of unions,  the lot.</p>
<p>So to sum it up if Chancellors perform as they are instructed they will be successful, otherwise&#8230;</p>
<p>And it happens, too, with the Prime Minister. Although this latter&#8217;s job is more complicated as he must put his two cents into the whole thing, he is the real representative of the what Richard calls the Master Puppeteers and I call the system.</p>
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		<title>By: MrZhisou</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrZhisou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 13:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good essay, and I learnt something new with ordoliberalism, thatÂ´s exactly what I think, and is all that is wrong with the US model.

BrownÂ´s problems will be, as you say, moving from CFO to CEO, moving from management to leadership.  I donÂ´t think heÂ´ll convince enough, though he may well grow into it too, you never can tell - people used to think Thatcher was wishy-washy and weak when she first took over from Heath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good essay, and I learnt something new with ordoliberalism, thatÂ´s exactly what I think, and is all that is wrong with the US model.</p>
<p>BrownÂ´s problems will be, as you say, moving from CFO to CEO, moving from management to leadership.  I donÂ´t think heÂ´ll convince enough, though he may well grow into it too, you never can tell - people used to think Thatcher was wishy-washy and weak when she first took over from Heath.</p>
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		<title>By: anticant</title>
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		<dc:creator>anticant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 01:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do Chancellors of the Exchequer actually DO? They always strike me as being nothing more than highly paid official shamans or witch doctors, making usually vague and often wrong predictions, and judged 'good' or 'bad' by how often they are wrong. They would be as usefully employed reading duck's entrails or tealeaves. Even after reading Roy Jenkins' lengthy book on the topic, I remain mystified.

For that matter, what do Prime Ministers do....?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do Chancellors of the Exchequer actually DO? They always strike me as being nothing more than highly paid official shamans or witch doctors, making usually vague and often wrong predictions, and judged &#8216;good&#8217; or &#8216;bad&#8217; by how often they are wrong. They would be as usefully employed reading duck&#8217;s entrails or tealeaves. Even after reading Roy Jenkins&#8217; lengthy book on the topic, I remain mystified.</p>
<p>For that matter, what do Prime Ministers do&#8230;.?</p>
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		<title>By: Political umpire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Political umpire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 21:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brown has had a reasonable run as Chancellor, but I would note a couple of points.

First, he has not implemented any major changes to the economy; he certainly hasnâ€™t gone back to Labour of the 70s. All he has done is tinker, with some increased public expenditure, but I doubt he has been any great thinker or innovator.

Second, there is a view that Brown has prospered at the Treasury because he has a small group of loyal advisers whose interests â€“ maintaining growth and not doing anything too radical â€“ havenâ€™t required much leadership from Brown. Once he gets to No. 10, however, and has to deal with a myriad of people whose views and demands are incompatible, he will find the job very much more difficult than anything heâ€™s faced at No. 11.

One further point that rubs me up the wrong way is that Brown was reported in the Guardian as claiming he wasnâ€™t just going to be a new face, but a â€œnew governmentâ€. That being so, it is incumbent on him to call an election, which he has ruled out doing. So much for democracy.

Oh and a final point â€“ Brown lied brazenly and appallingly about the schoolgirl Laura Spence, in a pitiful sop to â€˜old Labourâ€™, with a bit of â€˜class warâ€™. That is not the conduct we are entitled to expect from a Prime Minister.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brown has had a reasonable run as Chancellor, but I would note a couple of points.</p>
<p>First, he has not implemented any major changes to the economy; he certainly hasnâ€™t gone back to Labour of the 70s. All he has done is tinker, with some increased public expenditure, but I doubt he has been any great thinker or innovator.</p>
<p>Second, there is a view that Brown has prospered at the Treasury because he has a small group of loyal advisers whose interests â€“ maintaining growth and not doing anything too radical â€“ havenâ€™t required much leadership from Brown. Once he gets to No. 10, however, and has to deal with a myriad of people whose views and demands are incompatible, he will find the job very much more difficult than anything heâ€™s faced at No. 11.</p>
<p>One further point that rubs me up the wrong way is that Brown was reported in the Guardian as claiming he wasnâ€™t just going to be a new face, but a â€œnew governmentâ€. That being so, it is incumbent on him to call an election, which he has ruled out doing. So much for democracy.</p>
<p>Oh and a final point â€“ Brown lied brazenly and appallingly about the schoolgirl Laura Spence, in a pitiful sop to â€˜old Labourâ€™, with a bit of â€˜class warâ€™. That is not the conduct we are entitled to expect from a Prime Minister.</p>
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		<title>By: Ironic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ironic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 20:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At risk of repeting myself...
 
Reson 1..It's better to be inside the tent urinating out, than the outside of the tent urinating in. As there is a piece of urine the proof material between you and those you wish to urinate on inside. With that piece of material between you and them, they don't care how much you urinat,and the chances are that your feet get wet.
 
Reason 2.. Go find another tent to urinate out of. Although now you have two layers of urine proof material between you and those you originally wished to urinate on, and the chances are that when you look around in that tent you want to urinate on its occupants  even more than the occupants of the first tent you were in .

 Reason 3.. Urinate off completely, and no one will  give a defecation where you urinate.

moral..  Stay in the first tent</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At risk of repeting myself&#8230;</p>
<p>Reson 1..It&#8217;s better to be inside the tent urinating out, than the outside of the tent urinating in. As there is a piece of urine the proof material between you and those you wish to urinate on inside. With that piece of material between you and them, they don&#8217;t care how much you urinat,and the chances are that your feet get wet.</p>
<p>Reason 2.. Go find another tent to urinate out of. Although now you have two layers of urine proof material between you and those you originally wished to urinate on, and the chances are that when you look around in that tent you want to urinate on its occupants  even more than the occupants of the first tent you were in .</p>
<p> Reason 3.. Urinate off completely, and no one will  give a defecation where you urinate.</p>
<p>moral..  Stay in the first tent</p>
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		<title>By: anticant</title>
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		<dc:creator>anticant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 17:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joking apart, I think the 'Independent' has it spot-on when it says that now there isn't going to be a leadership contest, there's no good reason for Blair to hang on any longer and he should go immediately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joking apart, I think the &#8216;Independent&#8217; has it spot-on when it says that now there isn&#8217;t going to be a leadership contest, there&#8217;s no good reason for Blair to hang on any longer and he should go immediately.</p>
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		<title>By: snowflake5</title>
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		<dc:creator>snowflake5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 15:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a sense, there &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; a contest for the leadership - there was a contest in the parliamentary party for nominations. Brown won handsomely with over 300, and McDonnell and Meacher got 27 and 24 respectively. There is no official contest because some of Meacher's lot wouldn't nominate McDonnell.  

Given that as Prime Minister, Brown can only deliver with the support of the parliamentary party, the number of his nominations bodes well.  As for the constituency members, they are happy with the outcome. I certainly didn't detect any overwhelming desire for Milburn, Miliband et al to stand. A few old-timers pined for McDonnell. People mainly just seemed to want the delibitating drift under Blair to end. As for the trade union voters, I don't think most of them care quite frankly, who leads Labour. The leadership issue matters most to the parliamentary party and the constituency parties, who between them do all the work in getting Labour elected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a sense, there <i>was</i> a contest for the leadership - there was a contest in the parliamentary party for nominations. Brown won handsomely with over 300, and McDonnell and Meacher got 27 and 24 respectively. There is no official contest because some of Meacher&#8217;s lot wouldn&#8217;t nominate McDonnell.  </p>
<p>Given that as Prime Minister, Brown can only deliver with the support of the parliamentary party, the number of his nominations bodes well.  As for the constituency members, they are happy with the outcome. I certainly didn&#8217;t detect any overwhelming desire for Milburn, Miliband et al to stand. A few old-timers pined for McDonnell. People mainly just seemed to want the delibitating drift under Blair to end. As for the trade union voters, I don&#8217;t think most of them care quite frankly, who leads Labour. The leadership issue matters most to the parliamentary party and the constituency parties, who between them do all the work in getting Labour elected.</p>
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