Comments on: UK and US conspired to allow Sovietisation of Baltic http://tygerland.net/2006/11/24/uk-and-us-conspired-to-allow-sovietisation-of-baltic/ occasionally acerbic, cultural and political comment Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:22:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: michael http://tygerland.net/2006/11/24/uk-and-us-conspired-to-allow-sovietisation-of-baltic/#comment-230814 michael Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:07:31 +0000 http://tygerland.net/2006/11/24/uk-and-us-conspired-to-allow-sovietisation-of-baltic/#comment-230814 Please take most of Scott Abels rantings with a pinch of salt. He is a right wing American from Kansas who supported the war on Iraq 100%. I think right now he has restricted access to his blog because there were a lot of us who were totally opposed to what he was saying. He also gave several lectures on how the EU is a bad institution and why Europe should be modelled more along the lines of Republican America. Since the WMD was has come full circle he seems to be in hiding. If you do want a neo conservatives view of the Baltics please by all means do log into his blog. Please take most of Scott Abels rantings with a pinch of salt. He is a right wing American from Kansas who supported the war on Iraq 100%. I think right now he has restricted access to his blog because there were a lot of us who were totally opposed to what he was saying. He also gave several lectures on how the EU is a bad institution and why Europe should be modelled more along the lines of Republican America. Since the WMD was has come full circle he seems to be in hiding. If you do want a neo conservatives view of the Baltics please by all means do log into his blog.

]]> By: tyger http://tygerland.net/2006/11/24/uk-and-us-conspired-to-allow-sovietisation-of-baltic/#comment-27918 tyger Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:46:11 +0000 http://tygerland.net/2006/11/24/uk-and-us-conspired-to-allow-sovietisation-of-baltic/#comment-27918 Hello Lusidvicel, tygerland.net loves all its readers. <blockquote>Let me in, please</blockquote> In where? Hello Lusidvicel,

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]]> By: Lusidvicel http://tygerland.net/2006/11/24/uk-and-us-conspired-to-allow-sovietisation-of-baltic/#comment-27872 Lusidvicel Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:38:18 +0000 http://tygerland.net/2006/11/24/uk-and-us-conspired-to-allow-sovietisation-of-baltic/#comment-27872 Hello, i love tygerland.net! Let me in, please :) Hello, i love tygerland.net! Let me in, please :)

]]> By: Jose http://tygerland.net/2006/11/24/uk-and-us-conspired-to-allow-sovietisation-of-baltic/#comment-17007 Jose Sun, 26 Nov 2006 09:17:30 +0000 http://tygerland.net/2006/11/24/uk-and-us-conspired-to-allow-sovietisation-of-baltic/#comment-17007 The Yalta meeting had much to do with the situation in the world after WWII- Churchill, Rosevelt and Stalin sliced the world to their convenience, thus the outcome was what it was. The West acquiesced to Stalin's demands, perfectly knowing what the countries that were to be within the scope of Russian Stalinism were going to suffer under that iron fist. So the Western allies should share half the blame for all that happened. The Yalta meeting had much to do with the situation in the world after WWII- Churchill, Rosevelt and Stalin sliced the world to their convenience, thus the outcome was what it was. The West acquiesced to Stalin’s demands, perfectly knowing what the countries that were to be within the scope of Russian Stalinism were going to suffer under that iron fist. So the Western allies should share half the blame for all that happened.

]]> By: Jose http://tygerland.net/2006/11/24/uk-and-us-conspired-to-allow-sovietisation-of-baltic/#comment-16857 Jose Sat, 25 Nov 2006 21:17:07 +0000 http://tygerland.net/2006/11/24/uk-and-us-conspired-to-allow-sovietisation-of-baltic/#comment-16857 Thank you, Jens-Olaf, this time I got Palun blog alright. Added it to my browser. Thank you, Jens-Olaf, this time I got Palun blog alright. Added it to my browser.

]]> By: Jens-Olaf http://tygerland.net/2006/11/24/uk-and-us-conspired-to-allow-sovietisation-of-baltic/#comment-16848 Jens-Olaf Sat, 25 Nov 2006 20:21:23 +0000 http://tygerland.net/2006/11/24/uk-and-us-conspired-to-allow-sovietisation-of-baltic/#comment-16848 Estonia gave up in 1939, she was in a difficult situation. Päts, the president, was ruling, some say he was a dictator, there were signs for a change to democracy again, maybe not. But it was not like in Germany. Jews were still living in Estonia and their institutions were still alive. This ended in 1941, the Soviets closed down the Jewish insitutions in Estonia. I wished Estonians would be strong enough to resist every threat. They did not. The government did not tell the people that Estonia was lost. They advised my grandfather, a military, to emigrate in October 1939. Telling him to go and save his life (Molotov-Ribbentrop pact). What happened to Estonia then? I`ve told already here. And the Soviets and Nazis found their collaborators they needed. And because of that they got them today to bash each other. Estonia gave up in 1939, she was in a difficult situation. Päts, the president, was ruling, some say he was a dictator, there were signs for a change to democracy again, maybe not. But it was not like in Germany. Jews were still living in Estonia and their institutions were still alive. This ended in 1941, the Soviets closed down the Jewish insitutions in Estonia. I wished Estonians would be strong enough to resist every threat. They did not. The government did not tell the people that Estonia was lost. They advised my grandfather, a military, to emigrate in October 1939. Telling him to go and save his life (Molotov-Ribbentrop pact). What happened to Estonia then? I`ve told already here. And the Soviets and Nazis found their collaborators they needed. And because of that they got them today to bash each other.

]]> By: tygerland.net » More on the Baltic Sovietisation http://tygerland.net/2006/11/24/uk-and-us-conspired-to-allow-sovietisation-of-baltic/#comment-16817 tygerland.net » More on the Baltic Sovietisation Sat, 25 Nov 2006 18:35:30 +0000 http://tygerland.net/2006/11/24/uk-and-us-conspired-to-allow-sovietisation-of-baltic/#comment-16817 [...] My brief Baltic post has attracted some very interesting comments, so I wondered if readers would be interested in an excellent entry over on The Poor Mouth blog. jams o donnell has a cracking blog and worth bookmarking. Share this post with the world...These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...] [...] My brief Baltic post has attracted some very interesting comments, so I wondered if readers would be interested in an excellent entry over on The Poor Mouth blog. jams o donnell has a cracking blog and worth bookmarking. Share this post with the world…These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]

]]> By: tyger http://tygerland.net/2006/11/24/uk-and-us-conspired-to-allow-sovietisation-of-baltic/#comment-16812 tyger Sat, 25 Nov 2006 18:09:14 +0000 http://tygerland.net/2006/11/24/uk-and-us-conspired-to-allow-sovietisation-of-baltic/#comment-16812 I should say, for the record, that Mrs tyger is Estonian, but of Russian stock. I should say, for the record, that Mrs tyger is Estonian, but of Russian stock.

]]> By: tyger http://tygerland.net/2006/11/24/uk-and-us-conspired-to-allow-sovietisation-of-baltic/#comment-16811 tyger Sat, 25 Nov 2006 18:07:32 +0000 http://tygerland.net/2006/11/24/uk-and-us-conspired-to-allow-sovietisation-of-baltic/#comment-16811 <blockquote>And, since when were the UK or USA politics clean in thought word and deed? Can anyone give an example?</blockquote> Ouch!!!! Er. Not really. No. I think for a few years, before Robin Cook was cruelly sidelined, Labour did indeed have an ethical foreign policy. But Blair, blinded by neocon ideology, soon put pay to that.

And, since when were the UK or USA politics clean in thought word and deed?
Can anyone give an example?

Ouch!!!!

Er. Not really. No.

I think for a few years, before Robin Cook was cruelly sidelined, Labour did indeed have an ethical foreign policy. But Blair, blinded by neocon ideology, soon put pay to that.

]]> By: Jens-Olaf http://tygerland.net/2006/11/24/uk-and-us-conspired-to-allow-sovietisation-of-baltic/#comment-16741 Jens-Olaf Sat, 25 Nov 2006 12:42:02 +0000 http://tygerland.net/2006/11/24/uk-and-us-conspired-to-allow-sovietisation-of-baltic/#comment-16741 Zlainkspots, no one has a doubt about the efforts of the Soviet Army defeating the Wehrmacht. If the Soviets would not have send the Balts, Poles, Jews and others to the GULAG in 1941 and starting it again after the second occupation 1944, their reputation would be much better in the Baltics. In Finland more people survived. Estonia, occupied three times in a row lost 25% of its population. For Britain it would had been more than 10 million. Estonia lost the Germans, Jews, the Estonian Swedes who fled to Sweden 1944, they lost their parlamentarians, a lot of scientists, politicians, books were burnt by Soviets after the war. Giustino (palun.blogspot) emphazised that nearly all the 'Founding Brothers' of Estonia from 1918-1920 became victims of the Soviets. Zlainkspots, no one has a doubt about the efforts of the Soviet Army defeating the Wehrmacht. If the Soviets would not have send the Balts, Poles, Jews and others to the GULAG in 1941 and starting it again after the second occupation 1944, their reputation would be much better in the Baltics.
In Finland more people survived. Estonia, occupied three times in a row lost 25% of its population. For Britain it would had been more than 10 million.
Estonia lost the Germans, Jews, the Estonian Swedes who fled to Sweden 1944, they lost their parlamentarians, a lot of scientists, politicians, books were burnt by Soviets after the war. Giustino (palun.blogspot) emphazised that nearly all the ‘Founding Brothers’ of Estonia from 1918-1920 became victims of the Soviets.

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