Comments on: Freud, Modernity, and the Fight Club http://tygerland.net/2006/05/02/freud-modernity-and-the-fight-club/ occasionally acerbic, cultural and political comment Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:56:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Mark http://tygerland.net/2006/05/02/freud-modernity-and-the-fight-club/#comment-83578 Mark Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:36:37 +0000 http://tygerland.net/?p=533#comment-83578 I'm a big time capitalist, but love this movie, and love this analysis. I don't think the violence is too gratuative or tasteless. More than a political comentary, I interpreted the movie as a philosophical piece with agnostic conotations. It show how one might be tempted to join a terorist group, and do whatever their leader tells them to do. Anyway, if anyone hasn't seen this film, watch it, learn how to think during a movie. It's the best movie of 2000 (although Almost Famous is hella tight). AND READ PHILOSOPHY. Don't just say you're a comunist or capitalist just beacause someone cool says that they are. Learn the economic theories. I've rambled on, but trust me on the sunscreen. I’m a big time capitalist, but love this movie, and love this analysis. I don’t think the violence is too gratuative or tasteless. More than a political comentary, I interpreted the movie as a philosophical piece with agnostic conotations. It show how one might be tempted to join a terorist group, and do whatever their leader tells them to do. Anyway, if anyone hasn’t seen this film, watch it, learn how to think during a movie. It’s the best movie of 2000 (although Almost Famous is hella tight). AND READ PHILOSOPHY. Don’t just say you’re a comunist or capitalist just beacause someone cool says that they are. Learn the economic theories. I’ve rambled on, but trust me on the sunscreen.

]]> By: tyger http://tygerland.net/2006/05/02/freud-modernity-and-the-fight-club/#comment-522 tyger Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:21:15 +0000 http://tygerland.net/?p=533#comment-522 Hi there, Robert. Thanks for your contribution, and your excellent points. I can certainly understand your comment on man’s ‘need’ for violence. An aside, what with <a href="http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/1999/04/23/gamers/index.html" rel="nofollow">copies of shooting game Doom</a>, being found in the bedroom of the Columbine shooters, do you think videogames have a cathartic effect, addressing a primal bloodlust, or, are they a fantasy that queers the mind and its relationship with reality? Oh, and welcome to the <a href="http://tygerland.net/?page_id=459" rel="nofollow">blogroll</a>. Hi there, Robert.

Thanks for your contribution, and your excellent points. I can certainly understand your comment on man’s ‘need’ for violence.

An aside, what with copies of shooting game Doom, being found in the bedroom of the Columbine shooters, do you think videogames have a cathartic effect, addressing a primal bloodlust, or, are they a fantasy that queers the mind and its relationship with reality?

Oh, and welcome to the blogroll.

]]> By: Psychoanalysis » Aggression http://tygerland.net/2006/05/02/freud-modernity-and-the-fight-club/#comment-518 Psychoanalysis » Aggression Sat, 10 Jun 2006 21:16:07 +0000 http://tygerland.net/?p=533#comment-518 [...] On Studio 360, an NPR radio show on creativity, pop culture and the arts, host Kurt Andersen interviewed Chuck Palahniuk, the author of Fight Club and other novels that feature extreme violence (5/5/06).  See the blog by AS Heath for a description of the move of Fight Club.  He emphasized the value of ritualized violence as consensual and cathartic.  He spoke of a ritualized need to explore the capacity to inflict and endure hardship and violence on an interpersonal level.  He made two points that I found interesting.Š I don’t just want to break your heart, I want to break your heart and I want to make you laugh and I want to make you just a little bit sick inbetween. [...] [...] On Studio 360, an NPR radio show on creativity, pop culture and the arts, host Kurt Andersen interviewed Chuck Palahniuk, the author of Fight Club and other novels that feature extreme violence (5/5/06).  See the blog by AS Heath for a description of the move of Fight Club.  He emphasized the value of ritualized violence as consensual and cathartic.  He spoke of a ritualized need to explore the capacity to inflict and endure hardship and violence on an interpersonal level.  He made two points that I found interesting.Š I don’t just want to break your heart, I want to break your heart and I want to make you laugh and I want to make you just a little bit sick inbetween. [...]

]]> By: Robert White, MD http://tygerland.net/2006/05/02/freud-modernity-and-the-fight-club/#comment-517 Robert White, MD Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:56:08 +0000 http://tygerland.net/?p=533#comment-517 I am a practicing psychoanalyst. I recently published in my own blog (www.robertwhitemd.com/blog) a comment on Palahniuk, whom I heard in a radio interview. He was advocating a universal need to experience violence as cathartic. The problem for our culture is the bloodless experience of violence. There are patients for whom this is true. Their conscious experience is often one of boredom and emptyness. They use fantasied violence either to make contact with others or to defend against abuse and humiliation. Only if we in our development have experienced authentic rage can we freely operate in the world. I am a practicing psychoanalyst. I recently published in my own blog (www.robertwhitemd.com/blog) a comment on Palahniuk, whom I heard in a radio interview. He was advocating a universal need to experience violence as cathartic. The problem for our culture is the bloodless experience of violence. There are patients for whom this is true. Their conscious experience is often one of boredom and emptyness. They use fantasied violence either to make contact with others or to defend against abuse and humiliation. Only if we in our development have experienced authentic rage can we freely operate in the world.

]]> By: tyger http://tygerland.net/2006/05/02/freud-modernity-and-the-fight-club/#comment-214 tyger Mon, 08 May 2006 13:19:09 +0000 http://tygerland.net/?p=533#comment-214 Thank you very much! You should go see the film, it's very good. Thank you very much!

You should go see the film, it’s very good.

]]> By: Elvie http://tygerland.net/2006/05/02/freud-modernity-and-the-fight-club/#comment-213 Elvie Mon, 08 May 2006 10:31:01 +0000 http://tygerland.net/?p=533#comment-213 What an interesting (pyscho)analysis of the whole thing! I've never seen the film but I'm sure I would never have made such connections. I've heard lots about it and I've seen trailers and it does seem that there is much gratuitous violence. Maybe it's not gratuitous, maybe it's neccessary in order to enhance the film's story. Those who are turned off by such images needn't view. Really enjoyed this article. What an interesting (pyscho)analysis of the whole thing! I’ve never seen the film but I’m sure I would never have made such connections. I’ve heard lots about it and I’ve seen trailers and it does seem that there is much gratuitous violence. Maybe it’s not gratuitous, maybe it’s neccessary in order to enhance the film’s story. Those who are turned off by such images needn’t view.

Really enjoyed this article.

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